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| Who is the strongest Ace pilot of CE? | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 21 2010, 01:21 PM (898 Views) | |
| huio | Aug 21 2010, 01:21 PM Post #1 |
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In my opinion Shinn would own both Kira and Athrun. Not because he has Destiny but I am quite certain Kira and Athrun werent strong as Shinn, back in Gundam SEED. |
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| AgitoInfinity | Aug 21 2010, 01:37 PM Post #2 |
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Kira because he has plot armor. |
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| Gold Ranger | Aug 21 2010, 02:18 PM Post #3 |
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I know most people would say kira because of plot hax and the strike freedom but as you can tell i'd go with shinn. Shinn unlike kira, has actual skill (after gaining the freedom, kira basically did nothing, almost like his suit was in constant autopilot) and has proven himself to be one of Zaft's best pilots, and he really is a force to be reckoned with once he activates his seed mode. It's a shame most people don't recognize him as a good pilot, it's all because the archangel crew took the entire spotlight of the show and just made the whole series stupid for the second half(it's called gundam seed DESTINY, how can it be DESTINY if you show the STRIKE FREEDOM?). |
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| Char | Aug 21 2010, 06:58 PM Post #4 |
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Kira is by far the best ace, the only one who comes close is Athrun, the only reason Shin bet Kira was because of the Impulse's special ability of changing its legs,torso etc, if the had a rematch Strike Freedom vs Destiny, Im pretty certain that Kira would win, Shin got owned by Athrun in like 10 seconds after he got serious ( activated SEED mode) and although Kira does have the Himat beam spam, in all of CE he has only used it twice against an ace and that was Rey. Apart from that he only uses his own skill to win |
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| carlosbd | Aug 22 2010, 08:05 PM Post #5 |
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Are You seriously asking this?, who piloted the suit that neverever got/will get damaged, or even scrathed for about 11 episodes? |
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| Gold Ranger | Aug 22 2010, 09:14 PM Post #6 |
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As you can see from the first post, it's opinionated and kira not having his suit damaged doesn't mean he's the strongest. I mean it's not that hard to keep you suit intact if you were only in 3 battles, and one suit should've been kept intact after the other 2 got thrashed. |
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| ryujin23 | Aug 22 2010, 11:21 PM Post #7 |
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Kira Yamato. Well, thats what the anime wants. |
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| ShuroiKami | Aug 22 2010, 11:29 PM Post #8 |
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Strongest, Kira. Best, Shinn |
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| ScrimStar | Aug 23 2010, 03:02 AM Post #9 |
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Everyone keep in mind that the brain cancer lady was writing the story, when she brought Kira back to life.. also Freedom is way overpowered compared to Impulse, but in the end Shinn used pure skill and smarts to destroy Freedom. |
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| carlosbd | Aug 23 2010, 12:35 PM Post #10 |
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lol, it's like they're about to hit him, then he flips back, or reinforcements come in |
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| SamuelTempus | Aug 23 2010, 02:19 PM Post #11 |
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I'm new around here, but I figured I'd throw myself into the fire and put my two cents in: Just as a point of reference, It's called Seed: Destiny because of the "Destiny" plan. The mobile suit was named after the plan, not the other way around. Also, It's kinda backwards to think of Shinn as being the better pilot based solely on the action of the series. Shinn has little to no issues killing people. Kira certainly isn't lacking in ability to kill a lot of people very quickly, but chooses not to. Becuase of this, he shows great skill in incapacitating other suits while sparing the pilot even though it would be far easier to just kill every enemy he sees. With both pilots at their peak, Kira wins every time, though it would be a closer fight than some would choose to admit. - Sam |
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| Gold Ranger | Aug 24 2010, 08:26 AM Post #12 |
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Turn A Gundam, Gundam 00, Gundam X, Zeta Gundam, ZZ Gundam , ETC. Most series are named after one of the lead suits, people just assume it's the name of the destiny plan now after seeing somehow the strike freedom made itself the lead instead of the titular suit, the destiny. Also the Destiny was created BEFORE seed destiny even began (which is why the sword and cannon look like the strike's), so the plan was just a name they made to coincide with the suit they thought would help win the war and help the chairman bring peace. Hell the director even admitted kira and lacus where bad for stopping the destiny plan, which means it was for peace and not dictatorship as some would believe. Also how can you not base his actions in showing he has skill. It's a war, people are supposed to be killed in a war, Kira leaving random suits without the will to fight may seem good to you but that just makes things work, as that doesn't stop wars. Also, ever wonder what happened to some of them? Without limbs or anyway to fly, kira leaves random people stranded in space for all we know. I mean if kira really didn't want to fight anymore, he HAD the chance to back out of the war in gundam seed episode 21(i'm not sure about the episode #) it was as simple as that.And i say he has no skill because all his suit has to do to disarm another suit is Auto lock-on. How does having the suit automatically lock on show you have skill? I'll admit, with he strike kira is pretty good, but not with the freedoms.We've also only seen them confront each other multiple times and the only time they did fight, shinn was the victor and so how can you say kira wins? And if i remember correctly, loran cehack, protagonists of turn a was also a pacifist like kira, but he knew he had to fight back in order to end conflict. I hope you don't take all that to seriously though, it's just a friendly debate. |
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| sashi4440 | Aug 24 2010, 11:18 AM Post #13 |
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I vote for Athrun, he kicked some advanced mobile suit butt in a mass production Zaku Warrior, if i remember correctly even Shinn was in awe of his & Yzak's skills. |
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| Samurai Graham | Aug 24 2010, 11:47 AM Post #14 |
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He was in awe of Yzak and Dearka Oh, and I vote Shinn |
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| SamuelTempus | Aug 24 2010, 08:59 PM Post #15 |
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This is true, but the plan precedes even that. Also, the point about the names of series is quite valid.
Ah, but the topic isn't about who is better at stopping wars, it's about who's better as a mobile suit pilot. In my opinion that's still Kira, but admittedly, just barely. Given that we'll most likely never see another fight between them, there isn't a clear answer, and it comes down to opinion, which is always subjective. I just see Kira winning a head to head fight when both pilots are at their best. I still stick to my point though, that valuing life doesn't make someone weak. That being said, I'd be more likely to say screw it and just bust up the opposition myself. I'm certainly not denying that Shinn is an excellent pilot, as he is. I just think that Kira is (slightly) better. It's nice to have a place to discuss things like this in a friendly manner though. I look forward to spending more time delving through the gems hidden in the threads here. - Sam |
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| Gold Ranger | Aug 24 2010, 10:17 PM Post #16 |
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Yea, for the most part, i think a lot of us in the forum are friendly. Lol anybody vote for Heine Westenfluss? THIS IS NO ZAKU BOI, NO ZAKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU |
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| Char | Aug 25 2010, 02:02 PM Post #17 |
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Poor Heine, had the misfortune to be voiced by T.M. Revolution, em and yes Sinn did win the fight but that was only because of his suit not his ability, Kira destroyed his legs and head multiple times, he could easily have targetted then cockpit instead of the limbs, and although Shinn won I still believe Kira showed more skill in the suit and as I said before kira never uses his autolock on aces only on grunts which we all believe he could have done anyway, he also shows his skill in the ep heine dies, Kira singlehandidly disarmed Shinn and Heine, and they saw him coming so he was prepared. |
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| Gold Ranger | Aug 25 2010, 09:36 PM Post #18 |
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Kira only destroyed his head/arm during the fight once, and that's because shinn let him, as he took advantage of throwing the chest flyer w/ force silhouette to make a bigger explosion. Also the impulse's partswapping thing was something that shinn made up, as all the other pilots that owned an impulse in the mangas (the original pilots of the abyss, chaos, and gaia) never did it, so it truly is something that was skillful on his part, along with the bouncing shots off of his shield. Also if you noticed, Kira actually tried slashing through shinn's cockpit, but shinn was fortunate enough to split the impulse in time. Also, kira's fights with aces are always mid-close range combat, so he couldn't use the auto lock feature as the Freedom/S. Freedom doesn't move in full burst. As a matter of fact, he was only able to disable rey's suit because kira said something, then rey stopped attacking, and kira took advantage of the situation when his enemy wouldn't fight back. Finally, the thing about the heine episode, nobody expected at anytime that the freedom would make an arrival, you could even tell by shinn's reaction that he thought the freedom and archangel were gone forever, so he only disarmed shinn because he caught everyone by suprise, from both sides of the battle field. Also shinn didn't even bother fighting back when the freedom disarmed him, since it left as fast as it came. Sorry, I tend to make posts longer than they need to be. |
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| Char | Aug 26 2010, 02:25 PM Post #19 |
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Im pretty sure that he got is legs/head destroyed multiple times, but im not 100%, and although he caught them by suprise, Shin and co did manage to get organised again becuase Shin saw the freedon coming after him and was about to shoot him, I agree with you about the bouncing off the shield shot, that was pretty impresive, also what manga is it, I might check it out. |
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| Gold Ranger | Aug 27 2010, 12:28 AM Post #20 |
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Na, he did only get him that one time, and shinn just took advantage of the situation. Also shinn wasted his time on grunts and auel , and while he did try shooting at the freedom, he hesitated when it came near by him as he was still in disbelief it was the real freedom, and then kira just flew off after so it was all unexpected, especially after the whole stella killed heine thing where everybody from zaft just stopped. I think the manga was (don't quote me on this because the title was in japanese) frame astrays or something. I picked it up at a book store so i don't know much about it since i can't read japanese, but i do know some of the stuff since my friend can read it and i'll pick up an jap-eng dictionary soon. |
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| razerer | Aug 28 2010, 06:09 PM Post #21 |
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Athrun is who i think.. he has the talent and the training.. kira is just blehhh shin is acceptable n athrun did bring destiny down and the minerva while whiney kira was.. well whining |
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| sashi4440 | Aug 29 2010, 10:44 AM Post #22 |
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Finally! I thought i was the only Athrun supporter. |
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| buffalostyle | Sep 2 2010, 10:54 AM Post #23 |
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If the question was who was the strongest coordinator, Kira would win that debate quite easily. However, Athrun is a soldier and a true pilot. I remember him owning Shinn when he got serious. It wasn't even a real contest. In fact, if it weren't for Shinn getting lucky against Kira in the Freedom, he wouldn't even BE in the conversation at all. That said, Athrun is by far the strongest ace pilot in CE. |
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| Reaper_Zero_X | Sep 2 2010, 11:56 PM Post #24 |
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In terms of skills and training I go with Athrun all the way. He's had the most time in the service and he's demonstrated he's will to take risks and to kill if he has to. Plus he fights up close and personal with his suits. |
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| Char | Sep 4 2010, 08:34 AM Post #25 |
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Just because he fights up close and personal doesn't make him the best pilot, but I do agree, if it came down to Kira and Athrun it would be a close one, and I don't know who will win. |
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| Reaper_Zero_X | Sep 4 2010, 11:50 PM Post #26 |
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Touché your absolutely right. |
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| SamuelTempus | Sep 5 2010, 12:50 AM Post #27 |
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I could entertain the thought of Athrun as the strongest. If only they'd release G Gundam: Destiny. Then we'd know for sure after watching them in the Gundam Fight. I will say this though, if this thread was called "Which CE Pilot cries the most" I'm fairly certain I wouldn't have to change my answer of Kira in my original post on this topic. 
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Oct 25 2010, 07:04 PM Post #28 |
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Put everyone in a Zak--Aw ****. Put everyone in a [insert CE grunt suit here] and then we'll see. Lowe Guele? |
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| TheDeathscythe09 | Oct 25 2010, 07:26 PM Post #29 |
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ill throw in my 2 cents and say kira because in my opinion he didnt lose to shinn when the freedom was beat because shin needed new parts for his ms so in that aspect kira wins if shinn cant repair his suit in the battle.... and also kira is the main character even though in destiny it focuses in on shinn but goes back towards kira in the end the strike freedom dominates any other suit in the series |
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| AgitoInfinity | Oct 25 2010, 08:04 PM Post #30 |
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Kira didn't lose because he has a fan club. Started by the director himself. While the other fanclubs are by Yaoi-Fangirls or men without a girlfriend. |
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